Uh, yeah. Exactly what you said.

Now, ain't this a cool game?!!!!ONEONEONEoneoneeleven

"Religion is a delicate topic many would gladly avoid."

You obviously don't avoid it considering how you can't stop talking about it.  You didn't even bother to check the link Squid provided.  He was reffering to an online game but you see the title "Bible Fight" and you immediately seize the opportunity to blab your opinions throughout this thread. 

"I’m y will not write do signature for I’m y not reveal identity" <-- real deep. hilarious. 

1. "the bible is there to maintain a certain order in this world"

Why not the Koran, or maybe the Talmud, or any of the myriad sacred texts all over the world? Why should the Christian Bible (of which there are many variations) have sole monopoly on truth? Because it said so? And I'm going to hell if I question it? Kinda lame even for a cop out.

Also, if maintaining "a certain order in this world" includes publicly stoning to death people who practice spiritism (Leviticus 20:16) and inflicting capital punishment on homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13) then I gladly reject Biblical world order.

2. "if we try to meddle with it; the world might as well perish."

I find this statement vague and in need of clarification.

3. "God is God! He never said whether He is bad or good. He just said, I am."

Let's see...

"Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God."

Of course, you might be of the opinion that Christ isn't God. Even so, if you subscribe to any religion that uses the Christian Bible you have the core belief that Christ is pretty high up there in the divine pecking order and therefore knows what he's saying. In this verse he's saying God is good.

3. "He maybe the thought that made you start thinking about yourself; and He may also be the the Bible and Jesus that you are trying to avoid."

Maybe but highly unlikely when you consider the sheer number of divinities and sacred texts out there.

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So why isn't anyone playing Bible Fight yet?

Of course, you're pertaining to the Christian bible, right? But why is it an interesting read, and others say it is 'a certain order in the world'?

Since you asked why not Koran...here's a quick answer: If you read the Old testament and the Koran, there are some similarities which are apparently your favorites—bloodshed and bloodshed. If we're going to take that certain situation in the modern world—with all those bloody wars that turn people who opposes your faith and god into a heap of carnage—it is no longer applicable and is deemed immoral. Though long time ago, in the days of Joshua, it is the way it is...it is the certain order. Now, some people are still LIVING IN THAT OLD AGE, IN THIS PRESENT DAY. They never got it right because they never moved on.

Now for the Talmud, it is part of the Old Testament. So basically, I could give the same reason which is close to your heart.

Now that is also an explanation why the bible is divided into two parts called OLD and NEW. If you read NEW, there are a lot of differences with the OLD. Of course. For example: in the OLD, you can stone homosexuals; in the NEW, you can't stone Magdalene. In the OLD, you should not eat pork; in the NEW, you can eat pork. In the OLD, the main character is the FATHER, in the NEW, it was the beloved SON. You see, there's an actual MOVING ON.

Ok, let's not take the moving on as in 2,000 years. Let's take two situations in the OLD: The GOD said, they must not kill. After a few years, Joshua led the Israelites to anihilate their enemies by bloodshed. This is MOVING ON. For a pharisee, who is well-read like you, it would be difficult to frame the bible knowledge in a man's filtering mind of logic. But to make it short: if you could understand what MOVING ON means to the world, you would know the secret. It is progressive, anyway, just like computers. Take it from Darwin, man: Evolution and Adaptation. Even though you believed you evolved from monkeys, it will be wrong to call yourself a monkey now because you're entirely a different thing.

The reason why the bible is an interesting read is because it is too FLEXIBLE. Handled in a right way, it is an order. Handled in the wrong way, it gives birth to atheists.

Who was that scientist again who said people can evolve to angels? He does get a point, huh?

3. "God is God! He never said whether He is bad or good. He just said, I am."

Let's see...

"Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God."

Of course, you might be of the opinion that Christ isn't God. Even so, if you subscribe to any religion that uses the Christian Bible you have the core belief that Christ is pretty high up there in the divine pecking order and therefore knows what he's saying. In this verse he's saying God is good.

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Honestly, you're style of debate is similar to "tickling the toe and waiting for the giant to fall" This is the reason why I never joined any debate club. It is a high school and college thing. We could do better than that. Could we move on a little bit matured? I'm not taking anybody's side; it just feels good to oppose you because you think you're big. Because if you're going to use such line-for-line loophole venturing, or even searching through old posts, there would be a lot of contradictions in your posts. Sometimes you're careless also: Just a while ago you said that any religion believes that CHRIST IS PRETTY HIGH UP THERE IN THE DIVINE PECKING ORDER...Some don't believe He's not up there. He has an equal. So it's not that PRETTY high, er? What can you say about that? You see, but I tried to  understand your point in a deeper way.

Good luck....

Keep sniffing that glue. It's working its magic on your brain cells.

you really crack me up!

You state your case soundly and while I don't believe in a lot of what you're saying I admire the level-headedness of your argument... level-headedness and sobriety, things that are sadly missing from would-be experts' arguments regarding religious truth. I suppose we could both go on assulting each other's deeply entrenched opinions but what would be the point in that? The point of this post (the full text of which is found in my blog) is that while I don't believe in the Catholic Church I make it a point to at least act like I do so as not to ruffle feathers whenever I can't help but attend Mass, such as during baptisms of friends' kids, weddings, funeral, and such.

thanks.
i also admire your being strong to really stand with your convictions, although its also very dubious on my stand point.=)

anyway, yep! where will we go from here if we continue such points that i know you wouldn't accept much as i would not accept yours? hehehe...
i am actually trying to persuade you.=)

but im glad to know that while you kept on arguing that you dont believe in Catholic Church and in the Bible and as well as maybe in Jesus Christ too, you still attend mass occassionally.
thats a good thing.
you still know that "these" exist.

so long as you know that there is a Catholic church, a Bible, and a Jesus Christ; sooner or later you will find them or if not they will find you.=)
im not saying these things like im saying it as a very religious person because in reality i am NOT! but im spiritual. and its far different from a religious one.=)ryt?

just go on with what you believe.
because we will all return in His glory,no matter what.
so dont worry.=)

coz God is a Being that transcends.=)

and there is always nothing wrong to question things that makes you feel uncomfortable to believe.=)

Primum Regnum Dei.-linnea

I attend Mass not because I believe in it but only to be polite to friends and family during times like baptisms, weddings, and funerals. I go through the motions and mouth prayers just so I don't distract anyone from their own prayers. After all, I am only a guest in that House of Worship. Christ? I believe in Christ as much as I believe in Buddha, or Mohammed, or Vishnu, or Baal: only because they're interesting from a purely intellectual point of view.

But if there really is a God or Intelligence or Great Spirit out there I have to agree with you: God should a being that transcends. If not, if we're all royally screwed.

If ever there's a bible fight, for sure, the Christian Bible would win. Just like what I said, handled it right and it would be a certain world order. The Bible is the most flexible of all books. Because if Koran is that flexible why can't it cope with the world standards today and stop murdering unbelievers (by violence)?

BabyWinter...

We humans, despite the rise of technology, prefer explanations of a spiritual kind... Somehow it is easier to accept rather than the logical definition... like that strange Scientology followed by Tom Cruz... The bible is full of miracles so it is most likely to win...

When you talk about the bible or any religious texts, you're really questioning your existence and the time and space that you belong to. All that rules and regulations you're expected to follow are just guides to survival. Think of it this way, the bible is a set of rules written as a morality play.

If I were to be asked about the bible, I would avoid questioning it just because it was written at a different time. There are some parts of the rules that we could definitely bend just as long as you remember not to offend the public to the point where you would be persecuted.

All that rules that was written were made for the simple minded. God really meant to ask of us to be sensible, respectful, and open minded. What I meant by open-minded is not to go around condemning people that they are wrong and this and that is better. Even if it is for fun...

Arguing over topics like religion will get you nowhere. At least, not at this era. Maybe some day... when we settle in a new planet of dinosaurs and create a new specie for it is written, "Man would only understand through his own son." Didn't God learn to leave us alone after Christ argued with Him with his first life... form?

@babywinter:

What the hell are you talking about? BIBLE FIGHT is a game over at adultswim, doofus!

Thanks for posting this. :D I didn't even know there was an adultswim website. :D

You're welcome. And howdydoo to you. Hope you played the game. I beat Jehovah using Satan. He's got the nastiest moves, like the Cerberus Rush. Jesus is my second choice since he's got the Loaves and Fish move and the Cross Smash move.

:)  Of course, I chose Eve.  Unfortunately for her, I'm a computer game dummy and it took me a while to get used to the controls.  But once I got the hang of it, she was able to beat Noah with her snake charmer and muddy uppercut moves. :D  I'm going to fight Moses next.  I'm too afraid of Jesus to play him.  :D

:)  Of course, I chose Eve.  Unfortunately for her, I'm a computer game dummy and it took me a while to get used to the controls.  But once I got the hang of it, she was able to beat Noah with her snake charmer and muddy uppercut moves. :D  I'm going to fight Moses next.  I'm too afraid of Jesus to play him.  :D

Pmel, your English instructor, I must comment, is an effing idiot. The Bible is a collection of awesome literary works that have survived millenia. If you like poetry, for example, go read the Book of Psalms. You can't go wrong with that one. It doesn't matter if you're a believer or not. Great art will continue being great even if you don't subscribe to the artist's point of view. Jim Morrisson, for instance, was a self-absorbed drunk but his verses always make me cream my shorts.

Also, your difficulty in remembering the Apostles reminded me of something I read when I was in gradeschool:

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
Stole a cart and away they ran
The cart got broke, they stole a pail
And all wound up in the county jail

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
Stole a cow and away they ran
The cow got loose, they stole a goose
And all wound up in the calaboose

Ytitnedi laever ton ym'i rof erutangis od etirw ton lliw ym'i.

My instructor wasn't a popular teacher in our school as I recall it. Nobody liked him. But I will have to say that without him, I wouldn't have dared to question the Bible. I wouldn't have developed a curiosity towards other religion and  studied the similarities it shares with some of oldest fairytales and of children's nursery rhymes. And without him, I wouldn't have bothered to study poetry. Every man has a purpose of existance regardless of thier seemingly insignificant presence. No matter how stupid, rude, and conceited one may be, their time in space is never wasted. In fact, they teach us what we should not become.